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* [[Mailman]] [[Mailman/2|2]] (pipermail archives)
* [[Mailman]] [[Mailman/2|2]] (pipermail archives)
and 3 (HyperKitty archives)
** Requires a very special strategy for Mailman 2 instances
** Requires a very special strategy for Mailman 2 instances
** [[User:PaulWise|pabs]] is [[ArchiveBot/Monitoring|monitoring]] [[ArchiveBot]] for Mailman 2 URL patterns
** [[User:PaulWise|pabs]] is [[ArchiveBot/Monitoring|monitoring]] [[ArchiveBot]] for Mailman 2 URL patterns
** Message-Id in three places:
** Message-Id in three places:
*** <pre><HEAD> <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:...?...In-Reply-To=..."></pre>
*** <pre style="white-space: pre;"><HEAD> <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:...?...In-Reply-To=..."></pre>
*** <pre><BODY> <A HREF="mailto:...?...In-Reply-To=..."></pre> (may get corrupted by [[Cloudflare]]/etc email address protection
*** <pre style="white-space: pre;"><BODY> <A HREF="mailto:...?...In-Reply-To=..."></pre> (may get corrupted by [[Cloudflare]]/etc email address protection
*** in the compressed mbox archives
*** in the compressed mbox archives
* [[Mailman]] 3 (usually HyperKitty archives)
* [[Mailman]] 3 (usually HyperKitty archives)
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* [https://www.mhonarc.org/ mhonarc]
* [https://www.mhonarc.org/ mhonarc]
** Message-Id in encoded HTML comments
** Message-Id in encoded HTML comments
*** <pre><!--X-Message-Id: 19190830&#45;af45&#45;4646&#45;8344&#45;4f788db48a0f@disroot.org --></pre>
*** <pre style="white-space: pre;"><!--X-Message-Id: 19190830&#45;af45&#45;4646&#45;8344&#45;4f788db48a0f@disroot.org --></pre>
** https://identicalsoftware.com/maillist/xwpe/ https://archives.seul.org/ lists.gnu.org (saved by AB)
** https://identicalsoftware.com/maillist/xwpe/ https://archives.seul.org/ lists.gnu.org (saved by AB)
** [https://lists.debian.org/ lists.debian.org] (not saved yet)
** [https://lists.debian.org/ lists.debian.org] (not saved yet)

Revision as of 00:02, 6 June 2025

Mailing lists
Status Unknown
Archiving status Not saved yet
Archiving type Unknown
Project source mailing-lists-grab
IRC channel #flaming-lists (on hackint)

Mailing lists are a type of discussion group that is a precursor to forums (like Discourse) and is declining in popularity as email declines in use, being replaced by forums, and then social media. Existing mailing lists have a lot of history that would be useful to save.

Requirements

  • Some sites only support TLS 1.0, or maybe even SSL 3 or earlier
  • Some software (notably Sympa) or sites need POST plus a cookie to get otherwise public archives

Sources

There are some things that could be useful to find mailing list services/software:

Services

There are a number of notable services that include mailing lists, some have public archives:

Message-Id lookup

There are some services that offer Message-Id lookup. It is important that we archive both the Message-Id based URLs and the URLs they redirect to. We should also extract the Message-Ids from every message to develop a mapping between Message-Ids and URLs, and later create a service for searching that.

http://mid.gmane.org/alpine.BSF.2.00.1004291655110.61392@x.fncre.vasb nntp://news.gmane.io/65491cda.c80a0220.5fa79.7688SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=alpine.BSF.2.00.1004291655110.61392@x.fncre.vasb https://marc.info/?i=Prayer.1.0.18.0811191202370.4107@sabinus.cs.umn.edu http://mid.mail-archive.com/9dc4201d0807272359r1f0ad9d6ta44f31f439de58b7@mail.gmail.com https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q=9dc4201d0807272359r1f0ad9d6ta44f31f439de58b7@mail.gmail.com https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=mid&id=199802242058.MAA24843@monk.via.net https://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=mid&id=199802242058.MAA24843@monk.via.net https://mail-archive.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=mid&id=199802242058.MAA24843@monk.via.net https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20050606213954.GC884@finlandia.infodrom.north.de https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/?m=YvogMm/B0cM/AUMu@einval.com https://lists.debconf.org/cgi-lurker/keyword.cgi?doc-url=/lurker&format=en.html&query=id:87vey4ogcj.fsf@vorlon.ganneff.de https://www.w3.org/mid/alpine.BSF.2.00.1004291655110.61392@x.fncre.vasb https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20060419051850.96025.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com https://public-inbox.org/git/Pine.LNX.4.58.0504150753440.7211@ppc970.osdl.org https://article.olduse.net/40478@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=<usenet-hier-faq-1516003264%246620%40hope.eyrie.org> https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com/ https://lwn.net/ml/all/20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com/ https://lore.kernel.org/all/20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com/ https://yhbt.net/lore/all/20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com/ https://public-inbox.org/git/1486427537.16949.42.camel@bonedaddy.net/ https://www.43-1.org/app/nntp/mid/20050606213954.GC884@finlandia.infodrom.north.de https://forum.dlang.org/post/d19o8m$1jlj$1@digitaldaemon.com https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.beginners/;msgid=01041316021102.03716%40localhost.localdomain https://nmbug.notmuchmail.org/nmweb/show/156832191038.4937.14365134928759130092%40fireG0 https://www.ctan.org/ctan-ann/id/mailman.3878.1440779487.4386.ctan-ann@dante.de lists.sr.ht graphql API https://archives.spi-inc.org/message-id/14d2a7e9-3269-d881-7f15-506bbf78299f%40spi-inc.org

Software

There are lots of software for mailing lists that have instances with public archives:

Tools

These are some pages of and individual tools that are useful for archiving mailing lists:

Projects

These are some former archiving projects by ArchiveTeam that involved mailing lists:

Pages

There are a number of wiki pages that mention mailing lists in some way.

Articles

There are some articles about hosting mailing lists that may be useful.

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