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[[Who We Are|ArchiveTeam]] is trying to save this data, as well as spread information about [[#Can I create an archive of my group(s) without ArchiveTeam's help?|how you can save group messages and files yourself]] using Yahoo's [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata "GetMyData" (GMD)] request process.
 
[[Who We Are|ArchiveTeam]] is trying to save this data, as well as spread information about [[#Can I create an archive of my group(s) without ArchiveTeam's help?|how you can save group messages and files yourself]] using Yahoo's [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata "GetMyData" (GMD)] request process.
  
We encourage people to make requests ASAP to save anything not yet saved, and to continue to do so for as long as making requests remains possible. If you cannot file a data request, or get back incomplete data, or just want to put pressure on their decision to shut things down, please contact Yahoo/Verizon and politely express your displeasure at their actions.
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We encourage people to make requests ASAP to save anything not yet saved, and to continue to do so for as long as making requests remains possible. If you cannot file a data request, or get back incomplete data, or just want to put pressure on the decision to delete Yahoo's history, please contact Yahoo/Verizon and politely express your displeasure at their actions.
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=== Why do you want to archive Yahoo Groups? What's the benefit? ===
 
=== Why do you want to archive Yahoo Groups? What's the benefit? ===
  
We value digital heritage, and particularly value user-generated content. Countless sites full of user-generated content have been lost over the years. We try to limit those losses; you can see some of the sites we've saved on our [[Projects]] page.
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We value digital heritage, particularly user-generated content. Countless sites full of user-generated content have been lost over the years. We try to limit those losses; you can see some of the sites we've saved on our [[Projects]] page.
  
 
=== Why aren't you sending emails from the [https://archiveteam.org archiveteam.org] domain? ===
 
=== Why aren't you sending emails from the [https://archiveteam.org archiveteam.org] domain? ===
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Yes! Historical context is important. In addition, we know that some of the groups that moved platforms were unable to transfer some or all of their archives; we can help bridge that gap.
 
Yes! Historical context is important. In addition, we know that some of the groups that moved platforms were unable to transfer some or all of their archives; we can help bridge that gap.
  
=== My group is restricted or private. Why are you trying to join it? Do you still want to archive it? ===
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=== My group is restricted or private, for very specific people. Why are you trying to join it? Do you still want to archive it? ===
We know that some groups were set to restricted or private primarily as a way to control spam and not because of the content.
 
 
 
Since data can't be brought back once it's gone, and since Yahoo/Verizon has failed to notify all users about the changes or give them options to save their own data in a timely manner, we are trying to reach out to as many groups as possible.
 
 
 
We would still like to join and archive your group, if you're willing to give us permission.
 
  
=== My group is restricted or private, for very specific people. Why are you trying to join it? Do you still want to archive it? ===
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Since data can't be brought back once it's gone, and since Yahoo/Verizon has failed to reliably notify users of the changes or give them options to save their own data in a timely manner, we are trying to reach out to as many groups as possible.
It can be difficult to readily identify these kind of groups without asking. Also, sometimes due to the passing of time, what was once sensitive may no longer be sensitive.
 
  
Since data can't be brought back once it's gone, and since Yahoo/Verizon has failed to notify all users about the changes or give them options to save their own data in a timely manner, we are trying to reach out to as many groups as possible.
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We know that some groups were set to restricted or private primarily as a way to control spam and not because of the content. Also, due to the passing of time, what was once sensitive may no longer be sensitive. It can be difficult to identify these kinds of groups, so we err on the side of asking. (Many moderators have accepted.)
  
 
We would still like to join and archive your group, if you're willing to give us permission.
 
We would still like to join and archive your group, if you're willing to give us permission.
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=== When you say 'public archive', how public is 'public'? Where will the archived data go? How can we get access? ===
 
=== When you say 'public archive', how public is 'public'? Where will the archived data go? How can we get access? ===
  
The Yahoo Groups data will be added to [[https://archive.org/details/archiveteam the ArchiveTeam collection at the Internet Archive]]. This is not available through the WayBack Machine, not indexed by web crawlers, and not deeply searchable. However, people looking for specific data will be able to find it.
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The Yahoo Groups data will be added to [https://archive.org/details/archiveteam the ArchiveTeam collection at the Internet Archive]. This is not available through the WayBack Machine, not indexed by web crawlers, and not deeply searchable. However, people looking for specific data will be able to find it.
  
=== Can I create an archive of my group(s) without ArchiveTeam's help? ===
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=== Can I create an archive of my group without ArchiveTeam's help? ===
  
Yes. Make a "GetMyData" (GMD) download request [[https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata here]]. In about 1–10 days (depending on Yahoo's backlog) you will be notified that your data is ready for download, after which download links will be available on the GetMyData page.
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Yes. Make a "GetMyData" (GMD) download request [https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata here]. In about 1–10 days (depending on Yahoo's backlog) you will be notified that your data is ready for download, after which download links will be available on the GetMyData page.
  
If you have a lot of data (perhaps because you are a member of many groups), you may see the data split up into multiple ZIP files of 2 GB each. The groups are randomly placed within the ZIP files.
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The download will be one or more ZIP files, which, when unzipped, contain a folder for each group you are a member of; in each group's folder will be more ZIPs, for messages, files, and links. If you have a lot of data (perhaps because you are a member of many groups), the download is likely to be split up into multiple ZIP files of 2 GB each. Unfortunately, coverage is sometimes spotty, so you may wish to have multiple members make requests.
  
 
We do not know how long Yahoo will keep the GMD downloads available after they notify you that the downloads are ready. We advise saving them as soon as you are notified of their availability.
 
We do not know how long Yahoo will keep the GMD downloads available after they notify you that the downloads are ready. We advise saving them as soon as you are notified of their availability.
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=== Is this a free service? ===
 
=== Is this a free service? ===
  
Yes. ArchiveTeam is an all-volunteer effort. That doesn't mean we don't have expenses (see next question).
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Yes. ArchiveTeam is an all-volunteer effort.
  
 
=== Who pays for the computing/transfer/storage resources you use? ===
 
=== Who pays for the computing/transfer/storage resources you use? ===
  
Some resources are paid for by ArchiveTeam volunteers. Most of our hosting is courtesy of the non-profit Internet Archive. Although we are not the Internet Archive, we encourage donations to them if you are so inclined. Their continued existence is critical to our efforts.
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Some resources are paid for by ArchiveTeam volunteers. Most of our hosting is courtesy of the non-profit Internet Archive. Although we are not the Internet Archive, we encourage donations there if you are so inclined. Their continued existence is critical to our efforts.
  
 
=== Can the Internet Archive host my live group or mailing list? ===
 
=== Can the Internet Archive host my live group or mailing list? ===
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=== Where can I host my live group or mailing list? ===
 
=== Where can I host my live group or mailing list? ===
  
You may want to try [https://groups.io/ Groups.io] for something similar to traditional pre-Neo Yahoo Groups. The paid version of Groups.io can import message archives (MBOXes) from GMD downloads, if you have them either through your own request or an ArchiveTeam request. Groups.io does have some tighter content restrictions than Yahoo Groups, so not all Yahoo Groups are eligible to be transitioned to them. You can always try setting up your own hosting solution if you cannot find what you need.
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You may want to try [https://groups.io/ Groups.io] for something similar to traditional pre-Neo Yahoo Groups. The paid version of Groups.io can import message archives (MBOXes) from GMD downloads, if you have them (either through your own request or from an ArchiveTeam request). However, Groups.io has tighter content restrictions than Yahoo Groups, so not all Yahoo Groups are eligible to be transferred to them. You can always try setting up your own hosting solution if you cannot find what you need.
  
 
=== Are you affiliated with Yahoo/Verizon? Do you work for them? Can you stop the changes Yahoo is making? ===
 
=== Are you affiliated with Yahoo/Verizon? Do you work for them? Can you stop the changes Yahoo is making? ===
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The best way to reach someone at ArchiveTeam is via IRC. Here are some webchat links to appropriate channels:
 
The best way to reach someone at ArchiveTeam is via IRC. Here are some webchat links to appropriate channels:
 
 
* [http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23pythons-attack-y! irc://irc.efnet.org/#pythons-attack-y!] (Yahoo Groups project, phase II; highest traffic)
 
* [http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23pythons-attack-y! irc://irc.efnet.org/#pythons-attack-y!] (Yahoo Groups project, phase II; highest traffic)
 
* [http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23yahoosucks irc://irc.efnet.org/#yahoosucks] (Yahoo Groups project, phase I)
 
* [http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23yahoosucks irc://irc.efnet.org/#yahoosucks] (Yahoo Groups project, phase I)
* [http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23archiveteam-bs irc://irc.efnet.org/#archiveteam-bs] (General ArchiveTeam conversation on EFNet, also used for some followup questions after a project wraps up)
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* [http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23archiveteam-bs irc://irc.efnet.org/#archiveteam-bs] (General ArchiveTeam conversation on EFNet; also used for followup questions after a project wraps up)
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* [https://webirc.hackint.org/#irc://irc.hackint.org/#archiveteam-bs irc://irc.hackint.org/#archiveteam-bs] (General ArchiveTeam conversation on hackint; also used for followup questions after a project wraps up)
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If you have difficulty connecting with EFNet's webchat, try the hackint channel, or connect with a dedicated IRC client like HexChat or mIRC.
  
* [https://webirc.hackint.org/#irc://irc.hackint.org/#archiveteam-bs irc://irc.hackint.org/#archiveteam-bs] (General ArchiveTeam conversation on hackint, also used for some followup questions after a project wraps up)
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Please be patient if no one replies right away, as it may be a few hours before someone who knows the answer is online.
  
Please be patient if no one replies right away, as it may be a few hours before someone who knows the answer is online. Also, '''try the hackint channel if you have difficulty connecting to EFNet.''' (Or please try a dedicated IRC client like HexChat or mIRC as sometimes the web interface to EFNet is broken.)
 
  
  
 
Thank you!
 
Thank you!

Revision as of 23:39, 3 February 2020

ArchiveTeam FAQ for members, mods, and owners of Yahoo Groups

We've received a variety of questions from Yahoo Groups members, mods, and owners about what ArchiveTeam is and what we are trying to do with Yahoo Groups archives. This is a list of answers to those questions. If there is something you still want to know, our contact information is at the bottom.

Yahoo/Verizon has said they plan to permanently delete all Yahoo Groups files and message archives sometime after (but no earlier than) 11:59 PM PST (UTC-7) on January 31, 2020. We do not know how soon they will take action once the deadline is reached. It could be immediately or it could be delayed.

ArchiveTeam is trying to save this data, as well as spread information about how you can save group messages and files yourself using Yahoo's "GetMyData" (GMD) request process.

We encourage people to make requests ASAP to save anything not yet saved, and to continue to do so for as long as making requests remains possible. If you cannot file a data request, or get back incomplete data, or just want to put pressure on the decision to delete Yahoo's history, please contact Yahoo/Verizon and politely express your displeasure at their actions.


ArchiveTeam and volunteers

Who are you? Where do you live? What is your address?

We are volunteers with ArchiveTeam. We have volunteers that hail from all across the United States, Europe, and Australia.

Who is ArchiveTeam? Is ArchiveTeam legitimate?

ArchiveTeam is a loose band of volunteer archivists, programmers, and writers dedicated to saving our digital heritage. It has been a real thing since 2009. This wiki has many pages where you can learn more about us, including some of our mainstream media coverage.

Why do you want to archive Yahoo Groups? What's the benefit?

We value digital heritage, particularly user-generated content. Countless sites full of user-generated content have been lost over the years. We try to limit those losses; you can see some of the sites we've saved on our Projects page.

Why aren't you sending emails from the archiveteam.org domain?

As a loose band of volunteers, we use a variety of email addresses—whatever we have available.

How can I tell whether or not the group join request I received is actually from an ArchiveTeam volunteer?

Come visit us in our IRC channel (details below) and we'll figure it out.

Is ArchiveTeam part of the Internet Archive?

No. It is separate. It does not take direction from Internet Archive. We do use the storage space the Internet Archive makes available for preserving digital heritage. Our archived data is submitted to the ArchiveTeam collection.

Where is the ArchiveTeam collection at the Internet Archive?

Right here.

Groups we want to archive

My group is no longer active, or it was for a very specific purpose. Do you still want to archive it?

Yes! Inactive and/or niche groups are still part of our digital heritage.

My group has moved elsewhere (like to Groups.io, Facebook, Google Groups, a web forum, etc). Do you still want to archive it?

Yes! Historical context is important. In addition, we know that some of the groups that moved platforms were unable to transfer some or all of their archives; we can help bridge that gap.

My group is restricted or private, for very specific people. Why are you trying to join it? Do you still want to archive it?

Since data can't be brought back once it's gone, and since Yahoo/Verizon has failed to reliably notify users of the changes or give them options to save their own data in a timely manner, we are trying to reach out to as many groups as possible.

We know that some groups were set to restricted or private primarily as a way to control spam and not because of the content. Also, due to the passing of time, what was once sensitive may no longer be sensitive. It can be difficult to identify these kinds of groups, so we err on the side of asking. (Many moderators have accepted.)

We would still like to join and archive your group, if you're willing to give us permission.

Archiving process and results

When you say 'public archive', how public is 'public'? Where will the archived data go? How can we get access?

The Yahoo Groups data will be added to the ArchiveTeam collection at the Internet Archive. This is not available through the WayBack Machine, not indexed by web crawlers, and not deeply searchable. However, people looking for specific data will be able to find it.

Can I create an archive of my group without ArchiveTeam's help?

Yes. Make a "GetMyData" (GMD) download request here. In about 1–10 days (depending on Yahoo's backlog) you will be notified that your data is ready for download, after which download links will be available on the GetMyData page.

The download will be one or more ZIP files, which, when unzipped, contain a folder for each group you are a member of; in each group's folder will be more ZIPs, for messages, files, and links. If you have a lot of data (perhaps because you are a member of many groups), the download is likely to be split up into multiple ZIP files of 2 GB each. Unfortunately, coverage is sometimes spotty, so you may wish to have multiple members make requests.

We do not know how long Yahoo will keep the GMD downloads available after they notify you that the downloads are ready. We advise saving them as soon as you are notified of their availability.

Can I share GMD downloads with ArchiveTeam? Do you want them?

Yes!

You can upload your GMD files to a fileshare like Dropbox, Google Drive, or Mega.nz and email us a link.

Technical users may wish instead to rsync -avz *.zip rsync://marked-rsync.ddns.net/ateam-airsync/yahoo-gmd/$USERNAME/.

Some private groups have asked to send us their files and/or photos, but not message archives. This is fine with us.

Do you need group admin rights to create the archive?

No. The "GetMyData" (GMD) download request process can be used by any member.

What data can you still save? I thought Yahoo disabled the web interface.

Our experience so far is that message archives and files can still be saved via GMD requests, but that photos from the photo sections are lost (unless perhaps you personally uploaded those photos).

What do I do if I want ArchiveTeam to archive my group?

Accept our join request and we'll do our best.

What do I do if I do NOT want ArchiveTeam to archive my group?

Deny our join request and we'll do nothing (but we encourage you to archive the group for yourself and your members).

What happens if I deny ArchiveTeam access to my group?

We cannot create an archive of it. Unless you have (or someone else has) taken steps to preserve your files, message history, and other data, it will likely be lost forever.

Miscellaneous

Is this a free service?

Yes. ArchiveTeam is an all-volunteer effort.

Who pays for the computing/transfer/storage resources you use?

Some resources are paid for by ArchiveTeam volunteers. Most of our hosting is courtesy of the non-profit Internet Archive. Although we are not the Internet Archive, we encourage donations there if you are so inclined. Their continued existence is critical to our efforts.

Can the Internet Archive host my live group or mailing list?

No, sorry. The Internet Archive does not offer groups or mailing lists. It is an archival facility for data at rest, not a service provider.

Where can I host my live group or mailing list?

You may want to try Groups.io for something similar to traditional pre-Neo Yahoo Groups. The paid version of Groups.io can import message archives (MBOXes) from GMD downloads, if you have them (either through your own request or from an ArchiveTeam request). However, Groups.io has tighter content restrictions than Yahoo Groups, so not all Yahoo Groups are eligible to be transferred to them. You can always try setting up your own hosting solution if you cannot find what you need.

Are you affiliated with Yahoo/Verizon? Do you work for them? Can you stop the changes Yahoo is making?

No. If we had the ability to stop the changes Yahoo has been making to groups, we would. Sadly, we cannot. We can only attempt to minimize the damage they are inflicting on our shared digital heritage.

Has anyone tried to tell Yahoo/Verizon to stop what they are doing to Yahoo Groups?

Yes. Pressure from Mods and Members/the Yahoo Groups Users Crusade (which has been advocating for Yahoo Groups users since 2013) and the Organization for Transformative Works was partially successful, in that Yahoo agreed to extend the deadline for submitting "GetMyData" requests.

What are archives? You keep saying that word...

Saved historical records.

I have more questions. Who can I talk to?

The best way to reach someone at ArchiveTeam is via IRC. Here are some webchat links to appropriate channels:

If you have difficulty connecting with EFNet's webchat, try the hackint channel, or connect with a dedicated IRC client like HexChat or mIRC.

Please be patient if no one replies right away, as it may be a few hours before someone who knows the answer is online.


Thank you!