Move Archiveteam to Hackint
PROPOSED: MOVE ARCHIVETEAM IRC COMMUNICATION PRIMARILY TO HACKINT FROM EFNET
RESULT: REQUEST AND MOTION PASSED - ARCHIVETEAM MOVING TO HACKINT FROM EFNET
This discussion was started in August of 2020, with a deadline for the end of September, 2020. After the period, it was determined there was near unanimous interest in moving the Archive Team IRC channels from EFNet to Hackint.
The following tasks are underway:
- Moving all discussion to Hackint.
- Starting all new projects on Hackint.
- Moving Archivebot from EFNet to Hackint.
- Leaving channels on Archiveteam's EFNet side to a helpful "please go here" response to attempts to discuss issues.
- Modifying the Wiki to reflect this change.
The rest of this page is held for historical reasons.
Proposed by JAA a good long while ago, the proposal is to move Archive Team's IRC channels (and many project sub-channels) from EFNet to HackINT.
As is typical, we're currently split between the two networks, with many channels in HackInt and many others in EFNet, depending on the preferences and inclinations of various members. Honestly, this can't continue. As most activity is happening in Hackint anyway, and because we might as well use this for a quorum discussion, this page exists for discussion (along with the talk page) *NOW* (Mid-August) to September 30th, at which point it will (hopefully) be very clear which direction we should go. This page is likely to get increased changes and traffic as time goes, so check back often.
- Information on hackint is here: https://www.hackint.org/
- Information on EFNet is here: http://www.efnet.org/
Arguments for moving Archive Team to Hackint
- IRC Services: No need to micromanage ops in each project channel, ease of administration
- Stability: Handful of netsplits that lasted just a few minutes on Hackint compared to the ones on EFnet
- Support: IRC staff has proven to be very helpful and useful and helped us get running with channel and user administration
- Limits: Per-connection channel limits are much higher on Hackint and do not differ across servers (123 is the current joined-channels per connection limit and opers are willing to increase this network-wide limit in case we hit it)
Arguments for keeping Archive Team on EFnet
- IRC Services: Inherently leads to a certralisation of permissions vs current system.
- It has Always Been EFNet, we shouldn't uproot our long-standing relationship and work with that network.
- EFNet is the longest-lived Network, showing it's here to stay.
- We should just engage with EFNet to make them more hospitable for Archive Team needs.
How Moving to HackInt would Work
Jason says "There would almost certainly be a #archiveteam channel on EFNet forever, with some people sitting in related long-time channels like #archiveteam-bs and #archiveteam-ot - but project channels would shut down and move to HackInt. So we'd still have a split, but the channels on EFNet would be more like either social hangouts or represent outreach to guide people to the other location."
- This is not a vote; this is a show of support in one direction.
Edit and add your name to one of the lists below if you have a strong opinion one way or another. Describe your thinking, if you'd like. Do not add others if they are not on the Wiki.
In Favor of Move to Hackint
- User:JAA – My comparison of the two networks (= why I think hackint is vastly superior to EFnet); my counterpoints to the pro-EFnet arguments
- User:Wickedplayer494 - A long-standing IRC network doesn't really have any merit when it isn't actively maintained, maintainers are MIA, and things are left to rot and decay as time goes on.
- User:s-crypt - IRCv3, mandated SSL, proper nickserv support, actively developed.
- User:Ryz – countless times the amount of work in ArchiveBot is interrupted by netsplits and similar situations due to said infrastructure by EFNet in the past was enough to cause me to make such a vote being initialized.
- User:Themadprogramer - EFnet has a beautiful history, but every story eventually comes to an end. I just don't think the prestige of "our chat network is older than the modern web" is enough to warrant using a comparatively less stable and less secure system. (Here's hoping for Matrix to mature in the coming months)
In Favor of Staying at EFNet
- 2kids1trenchcoat – The nicknames are too long on hackint. Ugh. >_<
- Nemo 13:46, 4 December 2020 (UTC) (I took the question literally and I thought I didn't "have a strong opinion one way or another", but I've since discovered that the move entails harassing everyone who still dares to speak on pretty much any EFNet channel I usually join, including #wikiteam, so I've now developed a strong opinion that the move is annoying.)